Understanding & Unlocking the Power of NLP with Lara Hernandez

In this episode, Bart speaks with Lara Hernendez, a THG consultant and Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) expert. They discuss what NLP is and why it matters, not just for leaders, but for anyone who wants to communicate with greater authenticity and impact. 

Lara shares practical insights into the power of non-verbal communication, how emotions can unintentionally shape the signals we send to our audience, and why self-awareness is essential to communicate with intention and clarity. She explains how to become more conscious of your own energy and cues, how to recognize emotional triggers that can get in the way of inspiring others, and the tools you can use to elevate your impact every time you speak.

Throughout the conversation, Lara weaves in her own experiences, from a career in the hospitality industry to becoming an NLP practitioner and, ultimately, joining The Humphrey Group. Today, she helps clients become more authentic, compelling, and inspiring versions of themselves through the lens of leadership communication and behavioral insight.

Connect with Lara on LinkedIn or through email and check out her blog to learn more about NLP!

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Lara Hernandez: The minute you accept everything about yourself, the good and the bad, the strong and the weak, then you can face the world. Because our biggest fear is judgment. That is our biggest fear. I'm not qualified enough. I'm not good enough. I'm not smart enough. I is our biggest fear.

Bart Egnal: Welcome to the Inspire Podcast, where we examine what it takes to intentionally inspire.

I'm your host, Bart Egnal, president and CEO of the Humphrey Group, and if you've ever asked yourself, how can you develop an authentic leadership presence, or how can you tell stories that. Have people hanging off every word. Well, then this podcast is for you, and it's not just for executives. This is a podcast for anyone who wants to influence and inspire others in their work, but also in their life.

So my guest on today's episode of the Inspire Podcast is Lara Hernandez, and Lara is a member of the Humphrey Group's consulting team. She is also a coach with a transformational coaching practice and particularly relevant for what we're going to be talking about today. She's a certified practitioner of neurolinguistic programming.

Lara joins us from Montreal. Welcome to the program.

Lara Hernandez: Thank you so much, park. So honored to be here today.

Bart Egnal: I'm honored to have you, I'm honored to dig into NLP. We can we, now that we've defined the term, we can talk about it. NLP is something that if you are interested in communication and persuasion, you'll hear a lot about.

Um, but I think it's a top, a term and a field of study that is poorly understood and yet. Really valuable for leaders. So let's just start. We'll get to you in a moment, but for everyone listening, what is NLP and why is it important for leaders?

Lara Hernandez: Okay. What is NLP? So neurolinguistic programming, I'll break it down.

Neural, which is the study of the brain, how it functions, the biology of it, linguistic, which we all believe. Is the verbal aspect, but that only holds 7%. Actually, 93% of all communication is nonverbal. 35 of the 93 is the tone of voice and then the programming. Now, this one is a, it's a big. Chunk of it, right?

Mm-hmm. Programming is everything that happens right from the minute you are conceived in your mother's womb until you're about seven years old. What? Well, because we are constantly, from that state, from zero to seven, we're constantly taking in, absorbing, downloading all the information through our senses.

Okay. Through our senses, 93% of nonverbal communication. Right, and only seven verbal. Where does it come from? What are you taking in Cultural differences, right? Religion.

The rules. Rules that apply in Montreal might not, might not apply in Vancouver or Toronto mm-hmm. Or whatnot. You've taken everything through your census.

And that is your hard drive.

So how does that show up in the world where, well, it shows up in the way you speak, the way you behave, right? Your belief systems, your value systems, all of that is in your hard drive.

Bart Egnal: And so are we hired wired permanently from the age of seven?

Lara Hernandez: I would say yes and no. It's permanent until you become self-aware.

Ah. Right, and you only become self-aware when it doesn't work, right? So we are human creatures of behavioral patterns. We love consistency. We love to feel safe. Everything has to fit into a box. So when it no longer works or strategy doesn't work anymore, that's when it, that's when we start questioning ourselves, oh, how come this doesn't work anymore?

Or why are they not listening to me anymore? Why am I not inspiring anymore?

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm. And so this really brings us to why I wanted to have you on the pod. So as a leader, anyone who's aspires to leadership or is in leadership is trying to influence, they're trying to. You know, bring people towards their vision.

They're trying to persuade, and inevitably it doesn't work all the time. Right. Which is why they come to the Humphrey Group, which is why they learn skills. And, and so what you're really saying here is that while you do have some hard wiring and you, I mean, every one of us developing self-awareness about your own communication and also how others receive it.

Through this lens of NLP is gonna make you a more effective leader. Is that fair?

Lara Hernandez: Yes. And I would even take it deeper. Just a, a one notch. Mm-hmm. Below that. Before you do that, who are you? Huh? Who are you? Who are you?

Bart Egnal: That's, that's a hard question answer. That's a hard question. But we can, that is a hard question. Who are you? So let's, let's go into your story here, because 15 years ago you were not. An NLP transformational coach working with Humphrey Group clients. You were in a very different place. Where were you? What were you doing?

Lara Hernandez: I was in my first love, which was the hotel industry. It was my love and my passion.

There was two core elements in that industry that I love. One is the traveling. The, the getting to, you know, experience different cultures different mm-hmm. People different way of seeing the world and the second one being of service.

People that work in the hotel industry are there by conviction.

You are of service to another. It's how you make the other feel. Hmm. They walk into your lobby when they're in your, in your restaurant. The minute they sit down, the minute you greet them, it's all about how you make them. Feel I had to leave the hotel industry because I had severe health issues, six operations later.

I had to make a very drastic decision and I needed time off to take care of my health. Mm-hmm. Hence, I was told that I was a good coach back in the day. Okay. 'cause we're talking about, at least, you know, I went, I studied NOP in 2013. Nobody knew what a coach was. It wasn't so hot like it's right now. Right?

So I was told that I would be a great coach.

But I didn't know I was al already. I was already a great leader.

So by going to school and studying N lp, this is who I am. I am a girl of a first generation. I'm first generation. Of immigrant parents.

I was raised by my father.

Okay. These are details. I was raised by a Mexican macho man. Right? So it gives you an idea of how strict and severe and my only mission in life, the only mission is I needed to finish school. I needed to work and work. And work. I did. I did as, as, as I was told. I went to school and I worked hard. I'm the eldest of five.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Lara Hernandez: Meaning not only do I carry the burden, right, of being the first child of immigrant parents, the burden of translating papers, making doctor's appointments. Right. Because my father did not speak the language.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm.

Lara Hernandez: He, he does now, but it was broken. I was a translator. Not only am I the eldest of five, hence the responsibility.

I needed to make decisions, I needed to take care of others. The of service of others. That translated into the hotel industry, right? Hotel industry. I started from the bottom, uh, because how can you lead? Mm-hmm. Because my vision was one day, one day I'll get up there, but how can I get up there if I don't know what everyone else is doing?

I needed to know, worked my way up, but I never. I had very few, let me rephrase that. I had very few great leaders. Had a lot of bad leaders. The ones that, now I'm talking about 1997 bart, 1997. Different era. It was a different time, right? Um, we were, I wanna be very mindful of my words. I faced obviously discrimination.

I was yelled at, humiliated, and this could have been by leaders or even customers. Customers back in the day had no filters. We would have security right at the edge of the reception because people will lose their potatoes if they didn't get the sweet that they wanted. Ah, now, thank God we've evolved.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm.

Lara Hernandez: But that taught me who I did not want to be. So when they did come in a position of leadership, I did the complete opposite.

Bart Egnal: So then you went in, you, you, you had to leave your dream behind, you went to NLP and you started asking yourself these questions. And I know earlier you said the first thing a leader really needs to do is to know themself.

Yes. So what are the things if someone's listening and they're saying, okay, I wanna be more effective, what does it mean? To know yourself. What are the questions people should ask themself that ultimately will lead to more effective use of the NLP?

Lara Hernandez: What are your core values?

Bart Egnal: Okay.

Lara Hernandez: You must know your core, core values.

On the top of your head, top my core values are respect, integrity, right? Um, et cetera, et cetera. Mm-hmm. You fill in the, you fill in the flags. You have your core, then. You must know, as in another podcast that you recently had about emotional intelligence or triggers, right? Mm-hmm. But what is a trigger?

What is a trigger? A trigger could be simply someone being late.

Bart Egnal: Hmm. Right. For different people it's gonna be you, it you just need to know. Exactly.

Lara Hernandez: But you're, here's the difference. I'm just gonna use that as an example time for me, because again. In the hotel industry, time is now.

Time is always in the present. Hmm. There's nothing, nothing's gonna happen after everything's happening in the now. So time is precious. So a trigger for me back in the day would've been somebody showing up to work late. Right. That would've been such a no-no. Right. That would've been. Conversation reprimanded, et cetera.

Right? But it would trigger meaning, it would do something in my body. I would feel the heat, I would turn red. Hmm hmm. You know, there would be anger a little bit. Why am I angry? There would be angry. I'm angry at this person for being late. That's the trigger. That's the acknowledgement. Now you have to go ask yourself why.

When was the first memory? Can you find your first memory? When you were late, you were late, right? Not the other, when you were late and something happened.

Right. I do. I remember being late for a valet recital and I was yelled at, humiliated in front of the whole class. So there goes the program,

Bart Egnal: right?

Lara Hernandez: Registered, locked in. I was what, six or seven?

Bart Egnal: But before that seven year mark locked in. Yeah.

Lara Hernandez: Six and seven. Yeah. 'cause after the seven year mark we become conscious.

Bart Egnal: So you're really trying as a leader, this kind of first step of self-awareness. It's no what kind, what you wanna stand for as a leader and know what's gonna trigger you as a leader.

Yes. When you know those two things. Yes. Like what does, what is the, you know, I always thought of NLP as, you know, kind of tips and tools you can use to be more persuasive. That's why I'm not certifying it. Uh, and I think there's a common perception around that, but you're, you're almost saying it's, it's more, it's deeper than that.

And so what, why is it important for leaders to begin with this level of self-awareness on these two matters

Lara Hernandez: bar that is so interesting and. That's kind of scary because actually all communication is manipulation.

Bart Egnal: Oh, are manipulating me right now.

Lara Hernandez: Am I doing what you want? If, if I want, if I wanna sell you a brand new car.

Right. You know, manipulate situations. Right. I, and that, you know how we do it, you know, audience centeredness.

Bart Egnal: Yeah, that's right. You know, these aren't the drawings you're looking for the BMW picking

Lara Hernandez: up on the cues. Exactly. Picking up on the cues that you like and just. And just, you know, giving it back to you.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm.

Lara Hernandez: But if I recognize those triggers in me, if I know if I could, if I know who my core values are, well then I could see it in others, and that's where the inspiration comes in, because I could see in others what I already see in myself.

Bart Egnal: Hmm. So let's, let's bring this into an example. So I'm just, I'll just think of an archetype of a client who would, might be listening to this podcast.

You have a director at an investment bank. So Hypercompetitive environment, this person's job is to win mandates or support the managing directors in the firm, WIN mandates for mergers and acquisitions, you know, to buy or sell companies. And she says. This is the job I've gotta, you know, show up. I've gotta work on these deals.

I've gotta build. How does knowing myself and my triggers make me more effective in how I communicate internally and externally?

Lara Hernandez: Okay.

Bart Egnal: What's the payoff? Just

Lara Hernandez: what the first sentence is when you said, this is my job.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm. Ready?

Lara Hernandez: You're telling me that you're disconnected from it.

Bart Egnal: Hmm.

Lara Hernandez: You're not part of it.

You're not the creator of it. So there's a disconnect only with that first sentence. Right. So we do what works for us.

Bart Egnal: Okay.

Lara Hernandez: And we are able to only inspire if the passion within is there.

Bart Egnal: Right.

Lara Hernandez: Right. Because, you know, you walk into the boardroom, they already feel your energy.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm.

Lara Hernandez: So this really your mouth, this, this is about

Bart Egnal: connecting with what's gonna energize you.

Lara Hernandez: Exactly. And

Bart Egnal: finding the alignment with the work that you're doing.

Lara Hernandez: Absolutely.

Bart Egnal: Okay.

Lara Hernandez: And then if you, and then purpose, right? Right now we call purpose. Find your purpose. Yeah. Right.

Bart Egnal: What am I trying align? I mean, it's, it's very similar to, you know, when we work with clients, we talk about mindset, right? And clarity of conviction is the driver of inspiration.

So

Lara Hernandez: that's level one. So let me give you what I see lately. This is, yeah, great. Let's hear it. I see a lot in my one-on-one coaching. Okay. I get, I see a lot of high level. Managers, directors still struggling with competence and self-esteem. So when we probe and we start asking questions and to go deeper again, we connect it to something else completely different.

Bart Egnal: Hmm.

Lara Hernandez: That is not because of the mandate or the contract or you know, the budget that we need to hit it. We, we relay the feeling and that insecurity, we relay it back to an experience from the past. Hmm. Okay. And it happens all the time. Hmm. People coming to see me because at the, at, at the beginning of my career, I, I focused on getting back to my community.

So it was helping newly Latinos immigrants integrate the workforce. And that's where I realized not only are they coming with their beliefs, uh, of how people should behave and how it works, how in the working force it works, but they already come. Thinking that they're not gonna succeed. Hmm. Already thinking, uh, my French is not good enough.

Um, my, my work experience will never be good enough. They will not accept me. Hmm. So they're not feeding themselves all these years. Right. And putting blocks on the road when they haven't even started. I'm like, but wait a second. Hold on. Right. You know, hold on, let's just wrap up. Let's create a CD and let's see.

Let's go from there. Right.

Bart Egnal: Right. So you really do need, it's not just knowing yourself, it's then understanding the blocks, if you will, that may be holding you back from leading with confidence and courage,

Lara Hernandez: which is usually 99% is fear.

Bart Egnal: Hmm. And getting to those deeper things that you've identified that may be at the root of that fear.

Oh, okay. So Laura. You're working with a client, you're working. Let's take this, this director at the investment bank, I, I use this as an example. You've worked with her and she's really connected with her values. She's realized some of the things that may have been holding her back, which are in her own kind of background.

And she's, she's got the courage and she says, look, I wanna improve now my ability. To show up in, in the way that drives change. That's consistent with my values. How do you advise, what's the next step after doing that self-reflective work that she should take?

Lara Hernandez: I'm gonna bring it back because throughout my journey with her, working with her, we have already done a lot of exercises.

Have been given a lot of work. Work has been done through the work, through the work, which is, first of all, um, I would have them write down, you're at work, you're in the office. Somebody triggered you, you got really upset, the meeting went wrong, and all these thoughts are, you know mm-hmm. Pushing through.

Write them down. Start January. Just write them down. Write them, okay. And if you can see, you write down ceiling, the emotion connected. So there would be journaling. So we can then recognize together the patterns. 'cause there's always patterns, right? So there's journaling, there's, yes. Obviously step number one is take a video record yourself.

We're gonna look at together, we're gonna see, and I'm gonna let you tell me what you see. Because what you see is what is important. It's not what I see. It's what you see in yourself that's gonna be telling to me where I need to go work. Right? Right. So we go through that process as well. And then, what do you really want?

What's the objective? There's always an objective established right at the beginning. What are we working towards? So I can always guide you back to the objective because as humans we have tendency to go everywhere and nowhere.

Bart Egnal: Right?

Lara Hernandez: Right.

Bart Egnal: So you're really taking this process. You're saying, okay, you have the intention to lead, intention to, to do so in the way that's consistent with your values.

Then you're, you're almost, you're developing a view of what is happening almost as an impartial third party. So you want to use the journaling to say, what am I, what are my thoughts? What's happening when I'm under pressure, when I'm about to go into this meeting? What am I thinking? So you can kind of compare that with reality.

And then you also wanna record yourself. And it's the great thing now with so many meetings being virtual is all these, we have the tools. We are automatically recording all of our meetings. So you wanna take some recordings so that you can put yourself in the shoes of the audience and say, what energy am I showing up with?

Is it the right? And then looking at all that, what I'm hearing is, instead of being self-critical on this or that on my eyes look like this, you're really saying, what am I trying to achieve? And have these thoughts and non-verbal cues help me or preclude me from doing that? Is that, is that fair?

Lara Hernandez: Yes, very fair.

And what I do specifically is I'm, I'm very, I'm very sensitive to the words that you use. I pick up right away in negative self-talk or, uh, limiting beliefs.

Bart Egnal: Hmm.

Lara Hernandez: The minute I hear one, I write it down and then I bring it up to you and gimme an example

Bart Egnal: of a limiting belief, uh, from a coaching client. But you don't have to name the person of course, but yes, a limiting belief that you identified and how it was holding that client back.

Lara Hernandez: Hear a lot when I'm in a meeting, I don't feel heard. Okay. Okay. Can you please provide proof? Right. Can you give me an example and proof of this? Because the mind is a scary thing. Hmm. It's extremely powerful. The mind will create whatever you believe. It cannot see what it doesn't believe. Right? Right. So if you believe that nobody you know is paying attention, that's your

Bart Egnal: belief.

Huh?

Lara Hernandez: That's what you're going to see. So, but give me the proof.

Bart Egnal: And what do you hear when you ask that? What do people say? What stop? And they

Lara Hernandez: think, you know, they, they stop and they think, and sometimes right away they go, they change. Oh, no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was, and then they require to take another venue.

Right. You know, and they reword it.

Bart Egnal: Interesting. But

Lara Hernandez: the more we scratch, we go back to the root. It's that there's a scar. There is a scar, there's an insecurity. There is a fear that we need to go and face and talk to it and transform it. How do we transform it? You You're going to

Bart Egnal: ask me, mark? Yes. I'm going to ask

Lara Hernandez: emotions, right?

Yes. After the intelligence of our beautiful emotions, emotions. In our senses. Okay. So sometimes we're so much in our intellect, we're so much in our frontal cortex mm-hmm. That we're, we can't fix what we feel through our mind. We have to actually, we actually have to go through our senses. So I would shift the conversation with her and tell me how does it feel?

People get confused. They go, what do you mean? How does it feel? Mm-hmm. I go, please describe the physical feeling in your body when you're in a meeting and you feel that you're not being hurt.

Bart Egnal: Hmm.

Lara Hernandez: It feels tight. Where? In my chest. Okay. Hmm. Does it have a shape? It's, it's a hard, it's a circle. It's, it's like a rock.

It's a rock. Okay. So it's a hard rock. What color is it? It's great. Fantastic. Close your eyes, take a breath, ground yourself. Visualize rock in your chest. That is heavy and tight.

Bart Egnal: Hmm.

Lara Hernandez: Now slowly, can you just change the color? Can you just do that for me? And then we go through this guided meditation, if you will.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm.

Lara Hernandez: In transforming that shape and form and feeling into something else.

Bart Egnal: Hmm.

Lara Hernandez: And what's magical is that it works.

Bart Egnal: Hmm. Yeah. I, I, I, it's really amazing listening to it because you know what I. You're getting at is how we show up is less about what we think than how we feel and the feelings that we have.

They, they come before we go in. There are value, uh, in a positive sense. There are values. They're what we're trying to, in a negative, they're limiting beliefs. Yes. And then in the moment, they're the fears intentions that we have that cause us to think and feel differently like the rock. And so it's this.

This NLP is not really about, we'll use this, this tone or this to make an impact. It's really much deeper. It's about getting to a more authentic place of confidence in yourself. Is, is that right?

Lara Hernandez: Confidence and acceptance?

Bart Egnal: Mm.

Lara Hernandez: The minute you accept everything about yourself, the good and the bad, the strong and the weak, then you can face the world.

Because our biggest fear is judgment. Hmm. That is our biggest fear. I'm not qualified enough. I'm not good enough. I'm not smart enough. That is our biggest fear. But if you just accept that, you know, I am where I'm at and I'm showing up with all the good and the bad. Yeah. And with my fears and my insecurities.

'cause they don't go away. They don't go away. They just transform into something more useful. So there's no

Bart Egnal: escape.

Lara Hernandez: There's no

Bart Egnal: escape.

Lara Hernandez: There's no escape. Sorry. Anyone listening? This podcast

Bart Egnal: was hoping that we would have the Fear destroyer secret at the end. You can just shut it off now.

Lara Hernandez: It's a fear transformation to something more useful.

Bart Egnal: And what is that ultimate thing? We transform our fears into

Lara Hernandez: courage or perseverance. Mm-hmm.

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm hmm. So you never get away from the fears, but you accept them and you become more aware that, and they avoid hindering you. They're still there, but you accept them and you can have the courage to speak up, be heard, and lead in your communication

Lara Hernandez: and understand them.

Hmm. We need to know. We always need to know. We need to understand a big why. And then the minute that you do it has no longer control over you. And if it doesn't have over control over you, then you could recognize it in others. So as great leaders mm-hmm. That's the one thing that we teach, right? Mm-hmm.

To be more present, more empathy, right?

Bart Egnal: Mm-hmm.

Lara Hernandez: Learn how to read a room

Bart Egnal: and I love it. I love the fact that, you know, and what I'm taking away from our conversation today. Is actually very different than what I thought when we were gonna talk about NLP, you know, 'cause you, we started off by saying, oh, you know, as you point out, so much of what determines how our audience receives our message is nonverbal.

I think that, you know, what was it, uh, 93% nonverbal, of which 38% is voice of 55% by language. So you, you, you would think to yourself, well just. Use your hands in this way or use your eye contact. But just as we at the Humphrey Group have always taught, that's the, that is the physical and vocal manifestation of your inner conviction.

Right? And what you're getting at is even a level deeper, which is we have to understand that we all have. Fears, doubts, limiting beliefs that hold us back from speaking with courage. And if we can get to the heart of those and practice self-awareness and self-analysis, that will free us not from the fears, but to be courageous communicators.

Lara Hernandez: Yes. Put that on a tshirt.

Bart Egnal: Yes. Done. I can't help you. That

Lara Hernandez: that's, yeah. In a nutshell.

Bart Egnal: So Laura, people listening might say, okay, this is, this is amazing, and yet this is daunting all in itself. I've got 50 meetings in the next two weeks, I've gotta get a presentation ready. I can't. Take a long term coaching program where I delve deep into my fears.

What is one thing that you would advise people listening who wanna begin implementing some of this NLP self-awareness and effectiveness into their regime of preparation to.

Lara Hernandez: If we could, in this world where there's so much information and we're constantly bombarded, multitasking, if we, if there's one thing we can do and just sit in silence.

In silence with ourselves and our thoughts, because we need to hear what's going on here. Mm-hmm. At self talk, if we can just hear it and perhaps if we have a chance, write it down. So then afterwards, in a moment of clarity, you can go back and read what you wrote. That would be priceless. Meditation, sit in the presence, sit with yourself, sit in silence, be still to be able to hear what's happening in your body.

I think that's step one. And then would would be a second

Bart Egnal: step. First time, who says, okay, make, what can I do? Should I go record myself? Doing a, doing a talk. Should I, like, what's, if we go from the breadth of like stillness to, I want, what's going to take me closer to gain at self-awareness around how I'm showing up my energy and what might be holding me back.

Is it, what would be the, the next thing that they could do?

Lara Hernandez: Well, you said it before, a lot of, a lot of you already have a lot of prerecorded meetings, so just go ahead, look back at prerecorded meetings or if not. We teach this as well at the Humphrey Group.

Bart Egnal: Take a Humphrey of course. Yeah.

Lara Hernandez: Take the Humphrey group course or, or reach out and talk to your five closest friends.

Bart Egnal: Hmm. And what should you ask them? What should you ask them? Ask the,

Lara Hernandez: what's the first, like if you would have a color to describe me, what would it be? Hmm. Oh, you would be a red, red y. Tell me why you see me red. Right. 'cause what you wanna hear is their perception of you. Right. And then I don't want you to go in.

Oh no, I'm not a red, I'm a black. You have to listen. That's not the point. Take it in. That's not the point. You have to take it in and listen. Right?

Bart Egnal: And, and that's the beginning. So Laura, I'll, the final question ask you is, what color am I?

Lara Hernandez: You're yellow.

Bart Egnal: And tell me why, what makes me a yellow to you?

Lara Hernandez: The very little interactions that we've had. I, you are very energetic. I. Very energetic. You're introverted and, um, nerdy. Should I say?

Bart Egnal: Ha, I'll take that too.

Lara Hernandez: I'm not sure if it's a Star Wars or Star from Yeah, there's definitely,

Bart Egnal: yeah, that's right.

Lara Hernandez: You see?

Bart Egnal: Well, the force is with you, Laura, and I think the forest wait,

Lara Hernandez: the force stay with

Bart Egnal: you. The, I mean the force be with us. All the NLP force. Thank you so much. There you go. That's been an amazing conversation. I've learned a lot. Where can people go and we can put this in the show notes to connect with you and learn more about NLP.

Lara Hernandez: They can, uh, reach out to me in my link. We could put that back.

Bart Egnal: link that in the show notes for sure.

Lara Hernandez: Or you can write me an email Lara@luminacoach.com.

Bart Egnal: I encourage you all to connect with Laura

Lara Hernandez: Humphrey Group as well, right at

Bart Egnal: the Humphrey Group too. Take a program with her and you'll be in good company.

Thanks so much for joining me on the show, your first NLP guest and, uh, I feel, uh, I feel yellow after this. I. So thanks Laura.

Lara Hernandez: Bye, Bart. Thank you.

Bart Egnal: Bye.

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